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sjenn2001
20. RE: what makes niki and her sorry son,
Aug 16 2008, 9:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2008, 9:46 PM EDT
"Neil was never interfering about Victor's personal life but he did treat Sabrina with respect, he knew Victor cared about her. A business as big as NE had to have things set up in a legal way as far as who was second in command in his absence & we all know it was Neil. Adam's fav. thing to say was there should be a Newman at the helm while Victor is gone, that may have been part of the reason for the Board meeting & vote was to put a sock in his mouth. Nikki knows that NE is her children's & grandchildrens legacy so I'm sure she is trying to protect it for that reason, I would. other than that she should butt out. Adam has been nothing but arrogant & selfish since Victor left thinking like Victor's gone now & he's going to get it all. He's nuts but I think he got more in store for us yet.!!!!!"
bj, really good post!!
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sjenn2001
21. RE: what makes niki and her sorry son,
Aug 16 2008, 9:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2008, 9:49 PM EDT
"Boy, you sure sound angry, Greg! And I hear you, but here's my 2 cents: Nikki and Victor, for all their fighting, anger, mean words, bickering, cheating and divorcing; are emotionally married to each other and care deeply for one another. Victor was still committed to protecting Nikki when she was still married to David Chow, and now that she feels Victor is in deep pain and probable danger, nothing and no one will be able to stop her from rushing to his side. Love them or hate them together, their's is the oldest love story on the Y&R and it will go on until the two of them are dead and buried. Nicholas made a terrible choice when he self-righteously turned in his own father to the authorities and Victor was deeply wounded by that unbelievable betrayal. Victoria has made decisions that she bitterly regrets and has apologised for them. But Nikki, Nicholas and Victoria have never acted out of pure greed, naked ambition and a blatant disregard for Victor's basic welfare. Adam was willing to risk Victor's life in order to grab his 15 minutes of fame in front of the cameras, until Neil clipped his wings. I'm not saying that Nikki, Nick & Vikki have behaved like angels. There has been disloyalty, lack of kindness, gratitude & compassion. But, at the end of the day, they came together for Victor, Sabrina and their unborn sister. Adam, on the other hand, seems concerned only about the money, the power, prestige & position and making sure that the others are frozen out. Where is his concern for his "good friend," Skye? Why is he so arrogant and overbearing with Victor's household staff and Neil? Why isn't he checking with the FBI, Paul & J.T. about Victor's whereabouts & well-being?"
patty, very good questions.
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sjenn2001
22. RE: what makes niki and her sorry son,
Aug 16 2008, 9:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2008, 9:51 PM EDT
"Well legally Nikki is still Nikki Newman because David Chow married her under false pretenses as in she had no idea he was somebody else. So that marriage should be null and void. So she has a right to use Nikki Newman but not sure about Mrs. Victor Newman. Even though she wishes at this moment I am sure.
I think Adam is an opportunist myself. He wasn't coming to GC and then he did right away. He took a job with Victor right away. He came here with a plan and an agenda. What that is I don't know. It may be good but so far Adam has only proven to me that he reverts to down right evil with the bat of your eye.
Victoria and Nick said they invited Nikki to sit in on this board meeting so I am assuming that's why she got involved. However Neil must have gone to her first because they were the ones telling them about their plan to put Victoria in charge. I think Victoria was the obvious choice since she does know the business in and out and Adam acting like a greedy rouge son, could spell disaster for the company. Neil, not being a Newman, would have less control over him with Victor gone. When Victor's here he fears Neil will go to Victor. Victoria doesn't care and won't baby him like Victor does, and she will keep him put in his place. Nick was fired by Victor, Victoria left on her own and Victor didn't want her to leave but she couldn't deal with what Victor was doing, favoring Adam over her. In fairness to Victor, he had no idea that Adam is a monster, and Victoria was spending a lot of time with Reed and trying to recover from her coman ordeal, so he might have thought putting Adam in over her was a swell idea at the time. But it wasn't so with this storyline they correct an obvious Victor over mistake.
Adam is for Adam. He wants to be in control and be powerful and rich like Victor. We've seen that when he first went to the ranch and plopped around the living room. Adam wants to be King Adam. "
Barb, you go girl. Kudos, you said it all!!!
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sjenn2001
23. RE: what makes niki and her sorry son,
Aug 16 2008, 9:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2008, 9:57 PM EDT
"patty that is what kills me with Adam. They may make him a decent person at some point with some silly explanation as to why he's doing all you mentioned but that bit with the first day Victor is gone he invites Heather over for dinner and orders up like he's King of the Mountain. Then the conversation with Heather was all bunk too. If he really cared about Skye he'd be less interested in Newman and more interested in what happen to his college girlfriend and to his own Father. Victor always says family is so important but with Adam being powerful, and greedy and obnoxious is first. He does talk down to poor Estelle and to Neil he's been rude. And he's been that way with Nick, Victoria and Nikki.
I agree that Nick, Victoria's and Nikki's actions have always been emotional reactions not greedy ones. Adam flaunts his place in the will like a badge he wears on his chest. I am not sure why Michael told him the will wasn't as much about him as he'd like to believe because it sounded like he was in there when Nick and Victoria are not. But he may have done something else with the business or something who knows. But Victor made a big mistake letting Adam know he was #1. He will use it and he may still use it if they don't find Victor. He may take action like he told Heather he might have to in all his grief over Skye and his Father missing and try and take over everything. I almost hope he shows that side of him as proof positive what a little jerk he is and Victor comes back about that time and nails him. Nick and Victoria already know the real Adam it would be good for Victor to be introduced. Great post patty."
You are so right. Victor needs to know the real Adam and what his motives are. Victor did make a mistake telling Adam about the will. Wouldn't surprise me if he tried to get rid of Victor, just so he could take over. Victor also made a mistake putting Adam over Victoria and I would like to see Victor apologize to her for that. Afterall, Victoria has owned up to the mistakes she made and Victor should do the same when he returns. As for Nikki, I don't think Victor owes her anything. JMO
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CaramelCapri
CaramelCapri
24. RE: what makes niki and her sorry son,
Aug 16 2008, 11:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 16 2008, 11:34 PM EDT
"what makes niki and nicklous and vicky , think they can take over newman, what gives them the right. where was nick when victor was telling him about jack, where was niki when victor was telling her about david. and where was vicky when her dad was begging her to be nice to his new wife. i will tell you where they were telling victor to go to hell, thats where, now niki don't have a job are a husband, vicky realize she was totally wrong, and nick the punk newman was so far up jacks you know what, that he couldn't see his nose. and now all of a sudden they want to come kick adam out and they take over. i just don't get who writes this snuff , these days. since the writer stike has been over , these writer act like they are still off on stike somewhere. where do you come up with this snuff. one minute niki is married to a mass murderer, the next she's coming up with a plan to take over her ex-husband company. this is the dumbest storyline this year, the dumbest. what gives them the right, nick the punk newman has betray , victor so many times it's not even funny, and what makes that broke down ex-pole dancer ,thinks she has the right to take over anything. she couldn't even handle david chow. iam done until this storylines change, iam done."
When Victor was telling Nick about Jack Nick was busy licking his wounds for being fired and trying to show his father he could make it on his own. Victor was going to ask Nick to return but in the end Victor had to much pride to admit to his son he was wrong. Nick too had to much pride to admit to his father that he was right. Vicky was simply jealous, both of her friends relationship with her father and that Victor was putting Adam above her in business. Vicky was wrong about Sabrina but right about Adam and Victor really left her no choice but to quit.
The way I see it they have no choice but to save the company from Adam. He's the one over stepping his boundries. Victor put Neil in charge of Adam because Adam had failed an important business task. Now Victor is gone for two seconds and Adam is seizing control against his fathers wishes. Neil could either watch the company go to hell or enlist Nick and Victoria's help. As for Nikki who cares, she's not going to be working there or anywhere else it looks like so why get upset about her.
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alliecol
alliecol
25. RE: what makes niki and her sorry son,
Aug 17 2008, 12:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2008, 12:52 PM EDT
"When Victor was telling Nick about Jack Nick was busy licking his wounds for being fired and trying to show his father he could make it on his own. Victor was going to ask Nick to return but in the end Victor had to much pride to admit to his son he was wrong. Nick too had to much pride to admit to his father that he was right. Vicky was simply jealous, both of her friends relationship with her father and that Victor was putting Adam above her in business. Vicky was wrong about Sabrina but right about Adam and Victor really left her no choice but to quit.
The way I see it they have no choice but to save the company from Adam. He's the one over stepping his boundries. Victor put Neil in charge of Adam because Adam had failed an important business task. Now Victor is gone for two seconds and Adam is seizing control against his fathers wishes. Neil could either watch the company go to hell or enlist Nick and Victoria's help. As for Nikki who cares, she's not going to be working there or anywhere else it looks like so why get upset about her."
Good post CC!
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sjenn2001
26. RE: what makes niki and her sorry son,
Aug 17 2008, 4:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2008, 4:17 PM EDT
"When Victor was telling Nick about Jack Nick was busy licking his wounds for being fired and trying to show his father he could make it on his own. Victor was going to ask Nick to return but in the end Victor had to much pride to admit to his son he was wrong. Nick too had to much pride to admit to his father that he was right. Vicky was simply jealous, both of her friends relationship with her father and that Victor was putting Adam above her in business. Vicky was wrong about Sabrina but right about Adam and Victor really left her no choice but to quit.
The way I see it they have no choice but to save the company from Adam. He's the one over stepping his boundries. Victor put Neil in charge of Adam because Adam had failed an important business task. Now Victor is gone for two seconds and Adam is seizing control against his fathers wishes. Neil could either watch the company go to hell or enlist Nick and Victoria's help. As for Nikki who cares, she's not going to be working there or anywhere else it looks like so why get upset about her."
CC, good insight . . . great post!!!
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bjandk
bjandk
27. RE: what makes niki and her sorry son,
Aug 17 2008, 4:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2008, 4:22 PM EDT
Good post CC. U said it all. Your baby is just the cutest thing!!! Do you find this valuable?    

gregwalker
28. RE: they lost their right to anything
Aug 17 2008, 6:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2008, 6:18 PM EDT
vicky and nicklous lost all their right to anything , when they turn their back on their father and newman. nick acted like he hated his own dad. like he loves jack more then he ever love victor. what is this like the 20th times , he has turn his back on his father. not counting the time he turn him in to the febs, and vicky, she walk out on her father and the company. and went to work for the other side. what rights does she have, the way she treated victor wife. somebody that was her friend. what right does any of them have , niki wouldn't listen to a thing victor had to tell her about her loving hitman of a husband. now shes coming up with a plan to take victor company. what rights does she have, (NONE) ADAM has never ask or taking anything from victor hes whole life, if anybody has a right to anything it's him. victor left him in charge didn't he, if anybody has rights it's him. but you go head belive in nicklous the punk and vicky the hater, and niki the pole dancer and lets see what victor does after he has taken care of walter. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

gregwalker
29. RE: what did he do wrong
Aug 17 2008, 6:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2008, 6:26 PM EDT
all he told neil was that a newnam would be running the company, tahts taking charge stepping up. when your father has taken off and no one knows when he will be back. adam step up like he should have, and said---- iam victor newnam jr. and my dad thought enough of me to name me after him. and iam not going to set back on the sidelines. iam going to stepup and do what my fahter would have done, if he was here, take charge. ( whats wrong with that ) 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

gregwalker
30. RE: and where is the hat coming from
Aug 17 2008, 6:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2008, 6:40 PM EDT
tell me where the hate is coming from, it's coming from vicky and nick and niki . they have never like the ideal that victor jr. was at newnam, vicky hated him from the start, and nicklous acted like he didn't even care that he had a brother. and now that victor is missing he comes out of know where, actting like he cares about victor. where was all that caring when victor was warning him about jack. where was the caring when he call the feds on hes own father a man that has giving him everything. now he cares thats crap and you know it, nicklous has all way been an ungratteful punk and he will never change. adam hasn't done anything he shouldn't have done. even if it comes after that he tried to kill nicklous in the plane crash. niclous the punk deserve it anyway his sorry behind self. no good excuse for a son. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
bjandk
bjandk
31. RE: they lost their right to anything
Aug 17 2008, 7:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2008, 7:11 PM EDT
"vicky and nicklous lost all their right to anything , when they turn their back on their father and newman. nick acted like he hated his own dad. like he loves jack more then he ever love victor. what is this like the 20th times , he has turn his back on his father. not counting the time he turn him in to the febs, and vicky, she walk out on her father and the company. and went to work for the other side. what rights does she have, the way she treated victor wife. somebody that was her friend. what right does any of them have , niki wouldn't listen to a thing victor had to tell her about her loving hitman of a husband. now shes coming up with a plan to take victor company. what rights does she have, (NONE) ADAM has never ask or taking anything from victor hes whole life, if anybody has a right to anything it's him. victor left him in charge didn't he, if anybody has rights it's him. but you go head belive in nicklous the punk and vicky the hater, and niki the pole dancer and lets see what victor does after he has taken care of walter."
Nick & victoria are not trying to necessarily trying to claim any rights, they are trying to protect their father's company & their children's legacy. The 2 of them may have been taken out of the will but their children were not so that is their right. Victor knew that Adam was not capable of running NE & he told him to run everything through Neil that Neil was incharge when he was gone. U can't be any plainer than that. but Adam isn't interested in finding Victor He has to be top dog when he could let Neil do what he knows how to do & he could work with the other to find his father. Doesn't sound like he cares about anything but NE.
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CaramelCapri
CaramelCapri
32. RE: they lost their right to anything
Aug 17 2008, 7:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2008, 7:57 PM EDT
"vicky and nicklous lost all their right to anything , when they turn their back on their father and newman. nick acted like he hated his own dad. like he loves jack more then he ever love victor. what is this like the 20th times , he has turn his back on his father. not counting the time he turn him in to the febs, and vicky, she walk out on her father and the company. and went to work for the other side. what rights does she have, the way she treated victor wife. somebody that was her friend. what right does any of them have , niki wouldn't listen to a thing victor had to tell her about her loving hitman of a husband. now shes coming up with a plan to take victor company. what rights does she have, (NONE) ADAM has never ask or taking anything from victor hes whole life, if anybody has a right to anything it's him. victor left him in charge didn't he, if anybody has rights it's him. but you go head belive in nicklous the punk and vicky the hater, and niki the pole dancer and lets see what victor does after he has taken care of walter."
Victor didn't leave Adam in charge of anything. In fact he put Neil in charge not once but twice. First after Adam's mess up he put Neil in charge and again at Sabrina's deathbed when Adam tried to seize control he put Neil in charge. If Adam were truly concerned about a newman running NE he would be out helping Nick find NE rightful owner, Victor. Instead he's taking the opportunity to take over his fathers company with no regard to his fathers wishes or where abouts. It says alot that Victor has not even trusted him with a board seat yet and even more that the board does not trust Adam to run the company either.
Nick hasn't shown Victor hate or anything like it. Wanting to be independant and show your father that you can make it without his help is not the same as being hateful at all. Nick was always polite to Sabrina, willingly allowing her to rent space from him. Victor was right about Jack but sometimes children have to learn their lesson the hard way. Victor too has made the mistake of trusting Jack in the past, despite the warnings of others. Sometimes you have to see to believe.
As for when Victor returns, I almost wish everyone had let Adam succeed in his takeover - at least then Victor could see where Adams true priorities lie.
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CaramelCapri
CaramelCapri
33. RE: they lost their right to anything
Aug 17 2008, 7:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2008, 7:58 PM EDT
"Nick & victoria are not trying to necessarily trying to claim any rights, they are trying to protect their father's company & their children's legacy. The 2 of them may have been taken out of the will but their children were not so that is their right. Victor knew that Adam was not capable of running NE & he told him to run everything through Neil that Neil was incharge when he was gone. U can't be any plainer than that. but Adam isn't interested in finding Victor He has to be top dog when he could let Neil do what he knows how to do & he could work with the other to find his father. Doesn't sound like he cares about anything but NE."
I completely agree bj - Adam isn't concerned for his fathers safety at all which is sad and unfortunate.
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sjenn2001
34. RE: they lost their right to anything
Aug 17 2008, 9:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2008, 9:46 PM EDT
"Nick & victoria are not trying to necessarily trying to claim any rights, they are trying to protect their father's company & their children's legacy. The 2 of them may have been taken out of the will but their children were not so that is their right. Victor knew that Adam was not capable of running NE & he told him to run everything through Neil that Neil was incharge when he was gone. U can't be any plainer than that. but Adam isn't interested in finding Victor He has to be top dog when he could let Neil do what he knows how to do & he could work with the other to find his father. Doesn't sound like he cares about anything but NE."
That's how it sounds to me too.
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sjenn2001
35. RE: they lost their right to anything
Aug 17 2008, 9:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2008, 9:49 PM EDT
"Victor didn't leave Adam in charge of anything. In fact he put Neil in charge not once but twice. First after Adam's mess up he put Neil in charge and again at Sabrina's deathbed when Adam tried to seize control he put Neil in charge. If Adam were truly concerned about a newman running NE he would be out helping Nick find NE rightful owner, Victor. Instead he's taking the opportunity to take over his fathers company with no regard to his fathers wishes or where abouts. It says alot that Victor has not even trusted him with a board seat yet and even more that the board does not trust Adam to run the company either.
Nick hasn't shown Victor hate or anything like it. Wanting to be independant and show your father that you can make it without his help is not the same as being hateful at all. Nick was always polite to Sabrina, willingly allowing her to rent space from him. Victor was right about Jack but sometimes children have to learn their lesson the hard way. Victor too has made the mistake of trusting Jack in the past, despite the warnings of others. Sometimes you have to see to believe.
As for when Victor returns, I almost wish everyone had let Adam succeed in his takeover - at least then Victor could see where Adams true priorities lie.
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CC, excellent post. You said it all!!!
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nogreatmischief
nogreatmischief
36. RE: and where is the hat coming from
Aug 17 2008, 10:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 17 2008, 10:22 PM EDT
"tell me where the hate is coming from, it's coming from vicky and nick and niki . they have never like the ideal that victor jr. was at newnam, vicky hated him from the start, and nicklous acted like he didn't even care that he had a brother. and now that victor is missing he comes out of know where, actting like he cares about victor. where was all that caring when victor was warning him about jack. where was the caring when he call the feds on hes own father a man that has giving him everything. now he cares thats crap and you know it, nicklous has all way been an ungratteful punk and he will never change. adam hasn't done anything he shouldn't have done. even if it comes after that he tried to kill nicklous in the plane crash. niclous the punk deserve it anyway his sorry behind self. no good excuse for a son."
hey gregwalker...i agree with a lot of your opinions...good insights. i'm still on the fence about adam though until we find out what his motives are, although his behaviour has been very pompous (just like his dad...hehe). i also don't like how he hasn't become more involved in contacting skye's family (maybe the writers don't think that's important!). neil has to assert his seniority over adam as victor wished...why isn't michael there to give legal advice...oh ya, he's meditating at the ashram and no cellphone allowed...hehe!! i'm sure deep down nick and victoria love their dad but they sure haven't shown it until now that he's gone missing and their children's inheritance is at risk...still seems hypocriical to me. i believe they should all forgive each other eventually and accept apologies where due. i feel they should concentrate their energies on finding their father's whereabouts and leave the running of n.e. to neil. he has access to the appropriate resources and legal advice to keep the company intact.
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gregwalker
37. RE:it's not hate, then why has niclous always betrayed his f
Aug 19 2008, 2:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 19 2008, 2:06 PM EDT
if it's not hate then why did punk nicklous turn victor in to the feds, then go back to when he help jack take over newnam. while victor was hurt in a plane crash. how about when he turn his back on victor and fell in love with jack , when he was married to niki. but lets stick to the here and now. how about when victor tried to protect him from loss all his money in this maz. with his old buddy jack. then he let jack write all that mess about victor wife and he did nothing. because of money for the maz. if thats not weak. look nicklous has always been a punk and he always will be trust me. Do you find this valuable?    

WTFISGOINGON
38. RE: RE:it's not hate, then why has niclous always betrayed his f
Aug 19 2008, 3:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 19 2008, 3:28 PM EDT
IMO Adam showed he really didn't have any motives when he was talking to heather today. When she mentioned how coworkers said she was cold when away from home and all that. He also had a point about if he was there trying to help find his father the family would still find a reason to hate on him. Besides, some people can become emotionally distant and exhausted or unable to truly care after they've gone through hardship in their lives with his mother and then Skye. However this is what I really love about this character, his character still has room to completely derail my opinion in the next show and the next and the next and still leaves me speculating. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

SayWhat?
39. RE: and where is the hat coming from
Aug 19 2008, 3:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 19 2008, 3:41 PM EDT
"tell me where the hate is coming from, it's coming from vicky and nick and niki . they have never like the ideal that victor jr. was at newnam, vicky hated him from the start, and nicklous acted like he didn't even care that he had a brother. and now that victor is missing he comes out of know where, actting like he cares about victor. where was all that caring when victor was warning him about jack. where was the caring when he call the feds on hes own father a man that has giving him everything. now he cares thats crap and you know it, nicklous has all way been an ungratteful punk and he will never change. adam hasn't done anything he shouldn't have done. even if it comes after that he tried to kill nicklous in the plane crash. niclous the punk deserve it anyway his sorry behind self. no good excuse for a son."
In my opinion, what's wrong with that is, Adam is not qualified to run NE. He has proven that. Once again, Adam wants to buy another company too quickly without doing his research. It may be a good buy and it may not be but one key to success is patience and that is something Adam has yet to learn. Victor knows how to go after a company he wants and knows to be leary of one that falls in his lap. Your last name does not automatically earn you respect, your actions do. I think the only reason Adam wants to run the company now is to show Victor he can, not because he cares.

As far as the issues with Victor, Nick, Victoria and Nikki...that's just family. Give Adam another ten years with the Newmans and he may begin to see that.
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