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Birdie_Y&R_Fan
Birdie_Y&R_Fan
SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 2 2009, 12:01 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2009, 12:01 PM EDT
Pauls brother father Todd comes to town, MJ see's him and panic's, Victor wants her to leave town put she begs him for help. I am so sure MJ is Patti why else would Todd coming to GC freak her out? Do you find this valuable?    
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patty1953
patty1953
1. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 2 2009, 6:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2009, 6:10 PM EDT
"Pauls brother father Todd comes to town, MJ see's him and panic's, Victor wants her to leave town put she begs him for help. I am so sure MJ is Patti why else would Todd coming to GC freak her out?"
yup. this cements it for me. she's patti williams, all right.
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Birdie_Y&R_Fan
Birdie_Y&R_Fan
2. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 2 2009, 7:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2009, 7:52 PM EDT
"yup. this cements it for me. she's patti williams, all right."
I really don't see how it could be anyone else, all the dialogue leading up to this point and now having Todd in town, I will be stunned if it's someone else
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jekorb
jekorb
3. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 2 2009, 7:56 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2009, 7:56 PM EDT
I was hoping Fr. Todd would look up and see her, feeling there was something about her that was familiar. Then, he and Paul would get their heads together and............... Guess it'll come later on. Do you think Mary Williams will be back? Do you find this valuable?    
Birdie_Y&R_Fan
Birdie_Y&R_Fan
4. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 2 2009, 8:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2009, 8:28 PM EDT
"I was hoping Fr. Todd would look up and see her, feeling there was something about her that was familiar. Then, he and Paul would get their heads together and............... Guess it'll come later on. Do you think Mary Williams will be back?"
God I hope not, what a nasty women, she wasn't nice to anyone except Pauls OA, I can't think of her name now. Mary is on everyone, she is so religious and pushes it on ward and forward.
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jekorb
jekorb
5. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 2 2009, 8:31 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2009, 8:31 PM EDT
"God I hope not, what a nasty women, she wasn't nice to anyone except Pauls OA, I can't think of her name now. Mary is on everyone, she is so religious and pushes it on ward and forward."
Oh, she was, wasn't she? She was Marie Barone, w/o the Italian cooking!
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Birdie_Y&R_Fan
Birdie_Y&R_Fan
6. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 2 2009, 8:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2009, 8:53 PM EDT
"Oh, she was, wasn't she? She was Marie Barone, w/o the Italian cooking!"
Do you remember in the old days how everyone went ga ga over her cooking? Your italian cooking comment made me think of her always delivering food of somekind to Paul.
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judann
7. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 3 2009, 12:26 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 3 2009, 12:26 AM EDT
Patty Williams was before my time - how is it that her brothers do not know her? Plastic surgery does not change a person that much.....to be totally unrecognizable. And what about her voice, surely they would recognize that? This sounds a little far fetched to me. Also, what did Jack do to her to make her carry so much hate for so long? Do you find this valuable?    
patty1953
patty1953
8. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 3 2009, 1:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 3 2009, 1:29 AM EDT
"God I hope not, what a nasty women, she wasn't nice to anyone except Pauls OA, I can't think of her name now. Mary is on everyone, she is so religious and pushes it on ward and forward."
BIRDIE, (CAN ONLY TYPE WITH ONE FINGER) but just want to say that mary and carl williams were wonderful people before the writers turned mary into an overbearing shrew. mary was originally kind, charitable, always doing for others, living her faith and a thoroughly nice woman. carl was a solid true-blue husband and father. the writers couldn't leave well enough alone.
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nogreatmischief
nogreatmischief
9. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 3 2009, 9:42 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 3 2009, 9:43 AM EDT
"Patty Williams was before my time - how is it that her brothers do not know her? Plastic surgery does not change a person that much.....to be totally unrecognizable. And what about her voice, surely they would recognize that? This sounds a little far fetched to me. Also, what did Jack do to her to make her carry so much hate for so long?"
that's why i tend to gravitate towards it being mary-jo mason, not patty. of course, i'm probably wrong...lol. patty's "losing it" was more of a situational, short-term issue (catching jack with diane jenkins, then losing her baby), whereas mary-jo mason was truly psychotic and ended up in a mental institution. mary-jo may have met father todd in the institution as priests often serve (confession, counselling, etc.) in places like that, prisons also, and maybe that's why mary-jane bolted when she saw him sitting with paul and nikki.
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Birdie_Y&R_Fan
Birdie_Y&R_Fan
10. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 3 2009, 10:08 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 3 2009, 10:08 AM EDT
"BIRDIE, (CAN ONLY TYPE WITH ONE FINGER) but just want to say that mary and carl williams were wonderful people before the writers turned mary into an overbearing shrew. mary was originally kind, charitable, always doing for others, living her faith and a thoroughly nice woman. carl was a solid true-blue husband and father. the writers couldn't leave well enough alone."
I remember, That was a very long time ago,
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Birdie_Y&R_Fan
Birdie_Y&R_Fan
11. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 3 2009, 10:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 3 2009, 10:14 AM EDT
"Patty Williams was before my time - how is it that her brothers do not know her? Plastic surgery does not change a person that much.....to be totally unrecognizable. And what about her voice, surely they would recognize that? This sounds a little far fetched to me. Also, what did Jack do to her to make her carry so much hate for so long?"
Paul told Nikki,there was something about her eyes and voice, Of course it's a soap and remember how the writers turned Sheila into Phyllis, it's all lame!!!!!!!!!!!! It's way far fetched, since the original Patti Williams to me seemed quite petite and very blonde. Todd hasn't seen her yet, I wonder if they'll come face to face. I laughed when Todd said he was in town for a Priest convention. The convention part just seemed funny to me. Jack acted alot like Billy back in the day, but what I remember is Jack was worse to his women than Billy is.
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nogreatmischief
nogreatmischief
12. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 3 2009, 10:38 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 3 2009, 10:38 AM EDT
"Paul told Nikki,there was something about her eyes and voice, Of course it's a soap and remember how the writers turned Sheila into Phyllis, it's all lame!!!!!!!!!!!! It's way far fetched, since the original Patti Williams to me seemed quite petite and very blonde. Todd hasn't seen her yet, I wonder if they'll come face to face. I laughed when Todd said he was in town for a Priest convention. The convention part just seemed funny to me. Jack acted alot like Billy back in the day, but what I remember is Jack was worse to his women than Billy is. "
i agree, billy reminds me of a young jack, more of the terry lester jack though, with his mannerisms and easy smile. the difference with jack, i.m.o., is that he's always had this arrogant side to him and doesn't hesitate to use it when he feels it necessary. billy seems more consistent in his attitude towards others, except, for kevin, who he doesn't have any sympathy for. both jack and billy are very charming men.
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judann
13. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 3 2009, 11:05 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 3 2009, 11:05 AM EDT
"that's why i tend to gravitate towards it being mary-jo mason, not patty. of course, i'm probably wrong...lol. patty's "losing it" was more of a situational, short-term issue (catching jack with diane jenkins, then losing her baby), whereas mary-jo mason was truly psychotic and ended up in a mental institution. mary-jo may have met father todd in the institution as priests often serve (confession, counselling, etc.) in places like that, prisons also, and maybe that's why mary-jane bolted when she saw him sitting with paul and nikki."
I'm leaning toward your explanation, mischief. I heard other suggestions that tend to think it's Mary Jo too. Now, my question is what did Jack do to Mary Jo to cause this lingering hatred?
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scoop5577
scoop5577
14. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 3 2009, 11:08 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 3 2009, 11:08 AM EDT
"Paul told Nikki,there was something about her eyes and voice, Of course it's a soap and remember how the writers turned Sheila into Phyllis, it's all lame!!!!!!!!!!!! It's way far fetched, since the original Patti Williams to me seemed quite petite and very blonde. Todd hasn't seen her yet, I wonder if they'll come face to face. I laughed when Todd said he was in town for a Priest convention. The convention part just seemed funny to me. Jack acted alot like Billy back in the day, but what I remember is Jack was worse to his women than Billy is. "
I was convinced that she was not Patty. The way she turned tail when she saw the priest sure makes me wonder if it is Patty. I can't believe they would have lost touch with her completely. I never really knew what happened to her when she was no longer on. Still I would have thought Paul would have said you sound just like my little sister. Also I don't remember Patty being that much of a nut case. She got taller too..lol! All the spoilers said she was Mary Jo mason??? I am confused. Surely someone in the family would know Patty's whereabouts.
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Birdie_Y&R_Fan
Birdie_Y&R_Fan
15. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 3 2009, 11:41 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 3 2009, 11:41 AM EDT
"I'm leaning toward your explanation, mischief. I heard other suggestions that tend to think it's Mary Jo too. Now, my question is what did Jack do to Mary Jo to cause this lingering hatred?"
Mari Jo soon fell in love with Jack Abbott (Peter Bergman), asked him to marry her, and they became engaged. But Jack broke it off after he found out about her involvement with his sister's husband Blade, and Jack was reunited with his Vietnamese ex, Luan Volien
Mari Jo turned her affections to Jack's son, Keemo (Philip Moon), but he dumped her after she hired a prostitute to impersonate her in bed with him. Later Mari Jo helped Jack get over the tragic death of his wife Luan, but became obsessed with him. Then Victor Newman (Victor Newman) was shot. Mari Jo turned out to be the culprit after first framing Jill for it
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Birdie_Y&R_Fan
Birdie_Y&R_Fan
16. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 3 2009, 11:41 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 3 2009, 11:41 AM EDT
"Mari Jo soon fell in love with Jack Abbott (Peter Bergman), asked him to marry her, and they became engaged. But Jack broke it off after he found out about her involvement with his sister's husband Blade, and Jack was reunited with his Vietnamese ex, Luan Volien
Mari Jo turned her affections to Jack's son, Keemo (Philip Moon), but he dumped her after she hired a prostitute to impersonate her in bed with him. Later Mari Jo helped Jack get over the tragic death of his wife Luan, but became obsessed with him. Then Victor Newman (Victor Newman) was shot. Mari Jo turned out to be the culprit after first framing Jill for it"
Mari Jo had felt the only way to keep a fax from Keemo detailing all her misdeeds from falling into Victor's hands was to shoot him. The recovering Victor suspected Mari Jo, which led her to assume his attorney Christine Williams (Lauralee Bell) had a copy of the fax. So Mari Jo drugged Chris and held her prisoner in the Jabot prop storage room. Victor and Paul Williams (Doug Davidson) tracked Mari Jo to Chris thanks to a tracking device they planted on Mari Jo. They arrived just as Mari Jo shot Chris with blanks from a planted gun. Mari Jo was institutionalized for attempted murder of Victor and the kidnapping of Christine
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Birdie_Y&R_Fan
Birdie_Y&R_Fan
17. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 3 2009, 11:44 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 3 2009, 11:48 AM EDT
"Mari Jo had felt the only way to keep a fax from Keemo detailing all her misdeeds from falling into Victor's hands was to shoot him. The recovering Victor suspected Mari Jo, which led her to assume his attorney Christine Williams (Lauralee Bell) had a copy of the fax. So Mari Jo drugged Chris and held her prisoner in the Jabot prop storage room. Victor and Paul Williams (Doug Davidson) tracked Mari Jo to Chris thanks to a tracking device they planted on Mari Jo. They arrived just as Mari Jo shot Chris with blanks from a planted gun. Mari Jo was institutionalized for attempted murder of Victor and the kidnapping of Christine"
I find it hard to believe that Victor would hire a women that shot him. But it's soap world so who knows, I am still leaning toward Patti Williams I think MJ is Patti. Paul wasn't that close to Mary Jo, he has stated on several occassions he feels that he knows her. Look at the story line with Phllip lll, if that's possible than MJ being Patti is even more plausable. Patti shot Jack years ago, he never pressed charges and left town.
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nogreatmischief
nogreatmischief
18. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 3 2009, 12:05 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 3 2009, 12:05 PM EDT
"I was convinced that she was not Patty. The way she turned tail when she saw the priest sure makes me wonder if it is Patty. I can't believe they would have lost touch with her completely. I never really knew what happened to her when she was no longer on. Still I would have thought Paul would have said you sound just like my little sister. Also I don't remember Patty being that much of a nut case. She got taller too..lol! All the spoilers said she was Mary Jo mason??? I am confused. Surely someone in the family would know Patty's whereabouts."
i was thinking the same thing, scoop, about carl and mary williams. surely they would have kept touch with patti, although maybe not in person, maybe just over the phone. you would think that if they suspected something was not right with patti, they would have informed paul or father todd. that's my main reason for not thinking that mary-jane is patti. we're going to need some good flashbacks to swallow this storyline...lol!
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Birdie_Y&R_Fan
Birdie_Y&R_Fan
19. RE: SPOILER (MJ)
Jun 3 2009, 12:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 3 2009, 12:23 PM EDT
"i was thinking the same thing, scoop, about carl and mary williams. surely they would have kept touch with patti, although maybe not in person, maybe just over the phone. you would think that if they suspected something was not right with patti, they would have informed paul or father todd. that's my main reason for not thinking that mary-jane is patti. we're going to need some good flashbacks to swallow this storyline...lol!"
do you know a spoiler or something, you are so sure it's Mary Jo and there hasn't been anything on the soap to lead anyone to think it is mary Jo? What about Carl he decided to keep away from Mary and stay with that other women he fell in love with while he had lost his memory, the writers ruined his character for me. I haven't heard Paul even say he's had contact with his dad, it wouldn't be difficult for Patti to have a relationship with her family from a distance, no one would know what's she up too.
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